Public sentiment regarding the Israel-Gaza conflict is sharply polarized and reflects a significant divide. Many commenters express vehement support for Israel and advocate for strong military action against Hamas, viewing negotiations as futile. Conversely, there is a substantial concern for Palestinian rights and humanitarian issues, with skepticism surrounding the sincerity of peace efforts and international involvement. Overall, the commentary is marked by frustration towards the parties involved and a lack of faith in lasting resolutions.

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It’s a cease fire, reports are Hamas won’t go easy and will still continue/are killing Palestinian’s to keep them in line. 

Trump has historically displayed an unwillingness to follow through and do the hard work, and there’s lots to be done. So it’s good hostages were returned, but that’s the easy bit. Getting lasting peace, getting Israel to leave Palestine alone and recognise Palestine, and getting Palestinians to move on from what Israel have done to them… that likely won’t happen or it will take a lot longer. 

They leveraged the business of Kushner and Trumps to get it done, setting a precedent that is dangerous for the future of politics and USA… what happens when it suits these people to work against Americas interests?

whatyoutalkingabeet

If you look at this artilce starting at what happens next it starts to go into all the issues that are yet to be decided. Including little things like whether Hamas disarms and who governs Gaza. Theres a ceasefire for now, but there is a lot to be negotiated to end this war to say nothing of the overall conflict. 

[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgqx7ygq41o](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgqx7ygq41o)

docfarnsworth

It is largely unnegotiaged and relies upon significant future talks and agreements

razzledazzle626

It’s unlikely to last very long. That’s how it’s always been, in my experience. Somebody gets a peace agreement in order. And then, in a couple of years, everything takes 3 steps backward and they’re all back to attacking each other.

Anonymoosehead123

No road to statehood, no plans for what to do if one side does something again.

Beautiful_Solid3787

Unlikely to last for long, and zero security guarantees for Palestinians

lladcy

I'm posting this question because Trump is undisputably a monster by any measure. His administration is terrorizing the citizens of this country, and we seem to be sliding rapidly into fascism. 

And yet, it appears he may have had a hand in negotiating some forward momentum in the middle east?

I'm not well versed enough in the conflict to be able to parse why I shouldn't perhaps consider this a broken clock moment. I expect there are pieces of the puzzle I'm not understanding or not seeing. Hopefully smarter people than I will offer some insight.

Switters81

Does anyone know if the plan includes a two-state solution or is it a Gaza-lago hotel plan?

Better-Valuable5436

So Biden entered politics on opposition to what was happening in the Vietnam war.  At his age you don’t really change your opinions.   He seemed to get Israel to agree at the beginning not use cluster munitions in Gaza like they had previously in Lebanon.   He also seemed to want an emphasis on smaller munitions.   However, I don’t think the US thought Israel a choice until all the hostages were released.   The main argument was tactics to get there.

CyclicalTrend

Biden called himself a Zionist and continuously armed Israel (he paused one specific shipment of large unguided munitions)

Despite the many shipments of arms sent to Israel in the Biden admin, the Israeli government made it extremely clear that they preferred Trump

I believe this has soured at least some Democrats on the benefits of being so close to the increasingly right-wing extremist Israeli government. Obviously many others are still unwilling to reconsider the relationship and believe that the US needs Israel

Temporary_Bet_3384

I think whatever was left of Biden's mind had some good intentions, but they were more about politics and to somehow pacify the unrest that was going on in the US.

The Israelis always get their way, third party opinions don't really matter. Attacking Rafah was supposed to be a red line almost 2 years ago. But nothing happened after that. The IDF kept bombing Gaza looking for Hamas. No one was coming to save the Palestinians.

Comfortable_Ask_102

Keep in mind this is before the pressure for Israel to ceasefire for the whole of Ramadan 2024 and before the whole “all eyes on Rafa” thing. Both pressured the Biden administration to prolong the war and draw out the Israeli strategy in a way that Israel opposed but gave into American pressure. (And prolonged Gazan civilian suffering)

yep975

When people feel like they have God on their side, they don’t back down. And unfortunately, they don’t realize they believe in the same god.

CumSlurpersAnonymous

One state solution. Equal rights. Right of return. Like the South Africa 1994 playbook but with more to level the playing field and de-radicalize.

mumbled_grumbles

Ended the occupation and oppression of Palestinians simple

Kabablover

It would take Israel agreeing to a 2-state solution (including ending their settlements constantly encroaching on Palestinian land) and Gaza not being governed by a group of terrorists who kill their rivals to prevent any kind of political change.

Do I think that's actually possible? Probably not in any of our lifetimes.

Hrekires

Hamas is admired and supported by the crowed here at reddit and around the world. So... never.

Also twice today, Hamas try to hit IDF soldiers, and got cooked. So even the current effort will not last more than 1 month top.

Sea_Section_9861

Would you consider the complete annexation of the Gaza strip by Israel to be "a lasting peace"?

If so then yes, it's all but certain.  Otherwise unlikely, at least for another century.

Vic_Hedges

it will definitely happen

&gt;!sooner or later climate change will make the Earth uninhabitable for humans!&lt;

AipomNormalMonkey

No. Despite what absolute morons are claiming, Netanyahu and Israel as a whole want to completely eradicate the people of Palestine. They want genocide, and there is no way to make peace with people who just want you dead. Hamas is a problem as well, and as afaik they actually started this current bout of violence. But right now the people dying and suffering are innocent civilians and that is inexcusable.

  
Edit: To anyone who downvotes this or comments something like 'good' or 'they deserve it', if God is real and by extension heaven is as well, you most certainly will not be getting in. You are horrible evil people.

LiothG

Netanyahu didn’t even bother showing up for the signing - Israel has ZERO intentions of ever leaving the Palestinian people alone and have every intention of taking over Gaza - 6 months at best

cottonftl

Estalicus

No, because there’s too much money to be made selling weapons. The only war you’ll get peace is for one side to comprehensively defeat the other so that it can’t pose a threat, and that side won’t be Palestine. In any case, a defeated government is a client lost, so it will continue on for a few generations.

Short_Advertising915

Not with Israel's current government in power, and also not until Palestinians change how they think in general. I've studied this conflict for about 30 years.  A lot of Palestinians believe there shouldn't be peace until they control every piece of land. Obviously that will never work with Israel.

A 2 state solution has been offered 5 times in different forms. It has not once been chosen. Some were fair offers and some not so much.

If you'd like to truly learn more... instead of just choosing a side and not thinking or learning for yourself, I recommend the ASK project on youtube.

One-Progress999

Probably an Israeli revolution, the complete elimination of Hamas and a two state solution. So, no

Sparrowsza

I do not think it’s possible as the core issue is radical Islamic thinking. But if that can be eliminated (perhaps something akin to the deradicalization of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan), then it would be possible.

TheBouwerie

No. Israel is an invading force who has created an apartheid state. Israel is Palestine and for there to be peace, that's what needs to happen. The cessation of Israel as a state. No that does not mean kill Israelis, it means they live in Palestine and do not get to set up an ethnostate there.

gooseofthesea

It would take complete destruction of either Israël or Gaza. Actual peace without anymore bloodshed doesnt seem feasable, but im just reading (fake)news stories about it from the otherside of the globe like most so what do I know

doemaarnietjop

One is a political entity, the other a geographic region, which makes this hard to answer


But yes, peace between Israelis and Palestinians is possible. Just very unlikely right now and under these circumstances

Background-Can-9842

I think it’s possible. The path I see is a 2 state solution. The main thing that needs to happen IMO is for other Arab / Muslim nations to support the deal and provide on-going support to Palestine. International support needs to come from these nations because they have a shared culture &amp; religion, which ultimately can lead to trust. Palestine is not going to trust western nations not matter how well intended they are.

The support can’t just be what it has been in the past - here’s some food, here’s some cash, here’s some weapons, go kill some Jews. It has to be rebuilding Palestine and providing a path to long-term prosperity. They need to come in and heavily invest in Gaza, rebuild the area, and bring good jobs and opportunity. These nations need to sign trade deals and security deals with Palestine. If the Palestinian people have a path prosperity and reasonable security guarantees from trusted partners, then they’ll have a reason to maintain peace. People who have no hope and nothing to lose will never be peaceful. 

As for Israel, the western countries have to hold their feet to the fire to maintain the peace and the agreed upon borders. There has to be serious repercussions for any violations.

hems86

Not really. There has been war in that region for 100s of years.

caughtinatramp

enemymime

Sadly I think lasting piece is only possible when Israel anexes Gaza. Even if the conflict cools down for the next couple of years, Israel will find another excuse to invade.

spingegod

No I dont


And what I think it would take probably isnt allowed to be said on reddit

Onigumo-Shishio

Isreal needs to annex all of Gaza, destroy all remnants of terrorism and then Isreal needs to get rid of their own racism and superiority complex. Adopt the bill of rights and safeguard the rights of the Palestinians and punish any Israelis that hate crime the Palestinians. And lastly they need to uplift the Palestinians out of poverty and give them representation in the government.

DoomSlayer3001

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Dramatic-Fennel5568

The European Settlers would need to apologize and pay reparation if they wanted to stay.

letsnotfightok

The great hallucination - that the Gazans are prepared to accept that Israel controls its present borders, and that Hamas is not presently the most popular political party in the West Bank.  

According to PCPSR (a Palestinian poll group based in Ramallah, link below) in May 2025 , roughly 59% of West Bank Palestinians believe that “Hamas was correct to launch its offensive against Israel on October 7th”.  

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf

Ok_Bonus3772

“Sadly, when it comes to Middle East peace, the tendency has long been to work on overcoming present and ephemeral challenges with no clear understanding of the final destination.” Is that because the final destination is two states and not everyone actually wants that?

jaymickef

Not going to happen until the UN replaces UNRWA with UNHCR. The mass radicalisation of Gazans and Palestinian refuges everywhere is a direct result of UNRWA schools. Whoever in the UN allowed this to happen for decades should face criminal charges.

IrreverentSunny

Too late, Bibi is cutting off the food again. 

Foreign-Chocolate86

The only peace in Palestine will be after the ethnic colony is abolished and Palestine is returned to the Palestinian people.

_Algrm_

&gt; The approach could have worked had there been a mechanism in place that forced the two parties to stick to agreed timelines no matter the circumstances

In other words, Hamas would be free to continue violence and then if they fail to genocide the Jews they can fall back on the peace deal that is guaranteed no matter the circumstances. Under such conditions it would be irrational to NOT attempt another intifada as there are no possible downside.

I don't understand how thinking people consistently treat Palestinians as mindless simpletons. If you setup the incentives in such a way that violence has no downside OF COURSE any rational thinking party will respond to those incentives.

These are generally the same people that implore Israel to not harm civilian infrastructure that is used by Hamas. If you follow this advice then OF COURSE Hamas will use civilian infrastructure even more.

bb5e8307

I want to know what Trump did to get to the ceasefire. He demanded for it to stop, so it’s stopped????…

Own-Knowledge8281

What do you mean when you say Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking? They are now in the same position they and other resistance groups were in when they attacked before, but presumably now much angrier 

TheVioletBarry

There will never, ever be EVERLASTING peace in the middle East. Not when the hatred goes back centuries.  To think otherwise is delusional.

Better-Tough6874

Now that the fighting has started again, has your view changed?

Noah_Vanderhoff

Imagine you return home - half your extended family dead and your childhood neighbourhood blown to pieces - “but we good now right?”

This hate and violence will only beget more hate and violence, internationally I doubt forgiveness for these atrocities will be forthcoming

If Bibi is tried / convicted and Israel proceeds with reparations and genuine efforts to rebuild itself in the name of peace I could see a recovery of their reputation in future - at least amongst other colonizer nations and those already sympathetic / not personally affected

I have a feeling even that will fall short for those who suffered direct losses - eg a coworker of mine that is now several aunts, uncles and cousins lighter with no way of knowing what happened to them - and an even greater feeling that such accountability and peace isn’t on Israel’s radar

Imagine a younger Trump drumming up a war to justify postponing the vote, to avoid the prosecution that would likely follow if he should fall out of power, now imagine the kind of deal and assurances he’d need to allow any brokering of peace in that war…

Whatever Bibi has in mind here, you can be sure the intention isn’t to save Israeli lives or interests, and positive that he considers the job half done where Palestinians are concerned

I’m very worried for those returning, no doubt their situation was dire if moving back into ruins is their best option - but it wouldn’t be the first time Israel organized a mass migration just to line their targets up - baiting them with aid or promises of safety only to bombard the zones they’re directed to is undeniably part of the IDF MO at this point

This warfare has also done nothing for the racial hate, which while not shared amongst the whole population, has been government funded for decades and successful at indoctrinating many, who now also have experience dehumanizing, murdering, and treating these “mongrels” as inhumanely as possible

It’s far more likely that Trump’s incompetent government is complicit in a new stage of war crimes that has yet to drop, when you consider the alternative is convincing Bibi to turn on his personal interests and endanger himself lol

Bibi hold all the cards in this situation, you have to understand the relative strength of Hamas vs Israel in Gaza lol, he’s proven more than capable of playing with his food (and theirs)

greatfullness

People with long memories are unsurprisingly a bit sceptical.

Permaculture_hings

OP you sound like the people who think this began on October 7th

haymaker1776

Barack Obama is not a good name to evoke when it comes to peace in the middle east tbh. 

Israel violated this ceasefire 2hrs into it. They violated every ceasefire with their other neighbors in 2024 and 2025 as well. We have a rudimentary enough understanding of history to understand that colonial projects do not just stop because a treaty was signed (I'm assuming you're American, you should have that same understanding). 

For the Palestinians this ceasefire is some of the best news they've had in years. They deserve some reprieve. For us in the West? This is not *the* win. This is just step 1. The architects and contributors of this genocide still need to be held accountable, but our president is already calling for amnesty for the chiefly responsible person, Netanyahu. The Palestinians in the West Bank were actively being attacked by settlers during this ceasefire which only were more emboldened by the genocide and openly supported by the govt. 

The struggle for Palestinian liberation is not over until they are actually liberated. Us in the West have no cause for celebration unless you have family there no longer being bombed

_b3rtooo_

I disagree with you that most people are too negative about the war ending. Every regular person (in real life) that I’ve talked to about it is either cautiously happy, or if they were more pro Israel very happy that the hostages have been returned. 

What you are actually seeing is the massive bot/activist networks that used this issue to divide Americans grasping at straws for why we should still be negative. https://www.piratewires.com/p/the-terrorist-propaganda-to-reddit-pipeline

LowSomewhere8550

They’re already arguing about returning bodies. 

It’s just so ridiculously naive to think peace in the Middle East is going to be that easy.

throwaway04182023

If people think genocide was the plan, then they might ne pessimistic that this is the end of the conflict. The long history of the conflict could also indicate its more of a pause than an end. I do mostly agree with you though

Acrobatic-Skill6350

This post aged like milk. Anyone that thought the ceasefire agreement was this big moment that had a decent likelihood of leading to peace in the Middle East were/are ignorant of the history in the region.

marshall19

&gt;Gazans are in control of their streets for the first time in 2 years.

Correction. Hamas is.

&gt;All I'm seeing in the comments though is negativity and people expecting this not to last, musing about when it will break.

History suggests that's basically a guarntee.

&gt;Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking.

What has Hamas ever gained from attacking?

&gt;But people seem to be reluctant to consider that this could be the start of peace.

Again, nothing in history, or really the comments of Israeli or Hamas leadership suggests this will last.

I would even argue as Hamas currently hunts down Palestinian "collaborators" their oppressive hold over Gaza is exponentially strengthened. No one caring about those Palestinians tells any potential resistance to Hamas that resisting is futile. They will be abandoned by the world and killed immediately without issue and if anything it will only help Hamas. They have a better chance of survival hiding from IDF bombs than freeing themselves from Hamas control.

Add the fact that Hamas still sees Oct. 7 and all the civilian deaths as a win and part of the plan, and I don't see how you can even begin to wonder if this will lead to lasting peace.

letstrythisagain30

People don't think it will last because it *never* lasts.  At various levels, this has been going on for *decades*.

AgentWD409

It’s insane to me that people are discussing all of this without any reference to giving Palestinians their rights and continuing the status quo where they continue to live under occupation, blockade and continue to build illegal settlements and lose their homes. 

I’m glad hostages are back to their families, and I’m glad the killing stopped and I hope it continues, but no one seems to even care what life awaits the Palestinians going forward. Everyone is talking about how it affects Israel, as if Palestinians are just nothing

hijazist

The problem for me, is not that palestine is of course the clear loser, but that Israel wont be held accountable for clear, multiple, well documented cases of massive transgressions of international law and human rights. Humaniarian aid for civilians has somehow slippery sloped into becoming a bargaining chip?
Unprecedented killings of civilians, journalists (!!), using starvation as a weapon, intentionally targeting hospitals etc etc.
In this Wave of relief we seem to be a bit lax about the sheer horror we have been witnessing for the last two years.
The IDF basically got to barbarically rampage for two years in the worst way possible, now they get to say "we won" and everyone is supposed to just be fine with it.
You wouldn't believe how this discussion is conducted here in Germany. Baffling how the crimes against humanity are being down played.
Apart from the injustice of it all, is this the standard we are holding our supposed allies to? Then I don't want to see what to expect from our enemies.
If Israel and Netanyahu are not held accountable, international law will be even more irreparably damaged than it already is. I'm happy that the killing stopped, but If we pretend like nothing happened, that is unacceptable.

Scorch6

People aren't negative on a peace deal and the hostage being free, they are negative on Trump declaring 3000 years of conflict over and that he solved the war. 

brendamn

The fighting haven't stopped. The civilians have just swapped to one terror from another. Hamas has already resurged, purging the already traumatised population with summary executions. Strutting about with weapons flashing.

Until hamas and other terror organisations are removed the plight of the palistinian people in gaza is far from over.

Remember that hamas has already firmly stated that they will not disarm. And until they do then this will not end and Israel will never agree to a two state  solution with hamas or any other jihadi group in power.

Once Hamas calls trumps bluff then Israel will just go at it again.

orgin_org

Nothing will last until 2 things happen:

1) The West accepts the reality that most Palestinians (and most neighboring Arabs) view Israel as an occupying force simply by *existing*. When they say Israel is occupying and must be resisted - they do not mean West Bank / Gaza. This is evidenced consistently in polls, statements, and actions over the past 90 years. 

2) Global pressure (led by the West) alters the education of Palestinian youth to not learn to hate Israel and yearn to 'take back' all of Palestine or even only Jerusalem. This will take decades even when done properly.

Only then will there be a chance at long term stability.

P.S. - yes we all know some Israelis want to take over more of the West Bank, but that percentage is like 10-15% (whereas about 70-80% of Palestinians want to take back all the land). Most Israelis just want to be left alone and would gladly accept peace vs. territorial expansion.

ZeApelido

One side is both colonizers and terrorists, quite literally. Quoting barrack is also audacious. I think you're kinda right though. Israel is imploding so they probably can't keep up the relentless attacks too much longer.

major_jazza

It's just very hard to rustle up much joy over the end of a massive cataclysmic catastrophe that represents a failure of everyone with power, even if you think it's a decisive turning point. It doesn't mean it's not a big deal. I don't know that I can change your view - you feel the way you feel and but even if I were to agree with you on every point of fact I may feel much less happy because the whole thing is just too shameful.

pyrola_asarifolia

I am worried for three reasons.

1. Isreal has violated dozens of ceasefires over the years. Why would they stick to this one?

2. If they do violate it, it is entirely unbelievable to me that the international community will significantly sanction them, leading me to wonder what their incentive not to do so is.

3. A genocide has taken place and it seems to me clear that the perpetrators are going to get off scot free. Until I see every perpetrator and every IDF commander in Nuremberg-style trials with Nuremburg-style sentences, I will doubt very much the international community and Isreal's commitment to peace. At the moment it's as if WWII ended and Hitler is still in power, offering to help out the Jews a bit.

thebusconductorhines

You must be too young to know that these ceasefire have been happening intermittently for forty years. 

Israel usually orchestrates some narrative about Hamas violating the ceasefire and resumes obliteration. 

All you need to do now is look at much of Gaza Israel has already cleared out to know they’re almost done and can turn it into a Special Economic Zone so the corporations most closely affiliated with the US and Israeli administrations can funnel taxpayer money into their coffers.

SomeTimeBeforeNever

We've seen this show before.  These agreements are made often and don't last.  In fact, a few years ago three leaders shared a Nobel Peach Price for such a temporary agreement.

icnoevil

Israel bombed Palestine 5 hours after the peace deal was agreed and then claimed it was starting after the attack.

Obvious-Street-8979

precisely what that slimeball Netanyahu wants you to think. Just listen to him, his cabinet speak publicly or other leaders. They are celebrating their war crimes buying land they are still stealing cheering for more, because that is what facist supremacist states tend to do. They can't contain their hatred for Arabs in the region and will fight to keep subjugating some while plunging the rest into chaos. Israel doesn't want peace or stability in the region. The answer to peace would be to leave to the original boarders, and to free Palestinians from subjugation, not further squeeze them out into even tighter concentration camps which will never deliver peace.

Competitive-Ticket14

"The horrors of the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel and the conflict they reignited have resulted in unbearable human loss," (Bill) Clinton wrote. "It has been hard to watch and nearly impossible to rationalize."

"I’m grateful that a ceasefire has taken hold, that the last 20 hostages have been freed, and that desperately needed aid has begun to flow into Gaza," he continued. "President Trump and his administration, Qatar, and other regional actors deserve great credit for keeping everyone engaged until the agreement was reached."

Black_blade419

Well, I agree with you. In the spirit of the sub though:

Hamas representatives are currently say they don’t want to disarm, don’t want Hamas soldiers to leave the government body (they want them to be integrated as soldier or police), and they don’t want an international theocracy in place. 

There is a lot of phase two that is yet to be agreed on from the Hamas side. They are killing IDF collaborators this week. They are also dressing in police uniforms this week which they haven’t during the course of the war (usually in civilian clothing). Probably as a statement of intention to be involved. 

On the other side Trump is already building the theocracy and has had offers from wealthy Arab nations to have a seat at the table. There is a part of the deal going ahead without Hamas recognition. But they no longer have bargaining chips since they have released the 20 live hostages. They are currently withholding the bodies of some of the dead hostages in violation of their agreement. 

There is a ceasefire. But there is also details that are not hammered out. 

Trump made it seem that Hamas accepted the entire 20 point peace plan as a bluff. But the reality is Hamas is in checkmate but still not going down willingly. They do have amnesty if they give up. I believe they still have some 7,000 soldiers. 

Largely speaking there is going to be peace as Trump and other countries pretty much ignore Hamas and act as if the entire deal is on. Hamas is still convinced they can remain and will likely try to sway opinion that way and stoke the fires of protest around the world as long as they can. Some skirmishes may result. 

But largely it is a done deal with Israel agreeing not to annex any Palestinian territory which was the main concern. Those who were fearful of ethnic cleansing are cautiously optimistic. 

Israelis believe that Palestinians lost their chance at a state because of the October 7th attack, which was largely done in areas of people who recognized the Palestinian cause the most. They believe that war is just kicked down the road 5, 10, 20 years. 

Hamas currently does not want to decommission weapons but hand over to Palestinian state with their fighters in Palestinian army or police. But they agree to a proposition of five to ten years of ceasefire. 

Prior to the war the intent of the Palestinian side was overwhelmingly to retake all of Israel. They have seen overwhelming support from the world for this. About 50% of their population is under 18. It is very possible that the conflict continues. And Israelis become less inclined to tolerate further insurrections. 

There is the opportunity for a lasting ceasefire of 5-10 years. But the likelihood as well would just continue. Israel has also been known to preemptively strike in conflicts in a region that pools its resources aligned against them. And they also do want to completely finish Hamas, one of their war aims which they think hasn’t completely finished. 

Another part of the peace plan is destroying the terror tunnel infrastructure underneath the city. Which can meet its own resistance of non compliance like has happened before. 

Largely there is the prospect of peace. But also the sense that in a few years time the conflict will return as usual. People on Reddit are largely pro Palestine. And do not recognize that it is the Palestinian people largely instigating. Therefore the sentiment is that Israel will break the peace. Yes they have unfinished business with Hamas. But they also value relations with the US. And other trade partners in the region. So I think if Hamas doesn’t surrender they can strike. But if they do they likely won’t.

AstronautSouthern344

Since the ceasefire Israel killed 15 more Palestinians in Gaza and Israel still controls Gaza’s borders, and have used their power over Gaza to allow only half the needed aid, and Israel is still facilitating land theft and an apartheid system in the West Bank. Palestinians know this won’t hold bc Israel never respects ceasefires. Israel is literally bombing Lebanon right now. Why are you quoting Obama? Listen to actual Palestinians who have dealt with the psychotic occupation for decades

CharmingMuffin69

Keep in mind, Arabs have been massacreing local Jews in Israel for centuries. October 7 was not the first time. It has been happening since well before Israel was founded in 1948.

And now there is news that Hamas has breached the deal by refusing to return all of the bodies to Israel.

apndrew

The part about returning hostages will be another bargaining chip Israel will use. Not only do they demand the alive hostages (that have all been returned), but the dead ones as well who could have died and been buried under rubble or lost. Now Israel will have a way to say “but you didn’t return all the hostages and we have to get them back.” Thus giving some sort of justification for continuing.

Prestigious-Type-967

"Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking."

They never have. Every step along their path over the last 50 years has just led them to more suffering. Somehow they convinced the ill-informed that they are victims, when they have been the instigators of their own problems for my entire life.

  
As for how long it will last, not as long as one would expect. The people that live there hate people because of their race. They want nothing less than to kill all of them. They will sneak into some child's room to kidnap and torture again soon.

JoJoTheDogFace

This is exactly what you all said last time and Isreal ended up breaking the ceasefire anyways

Amazing_Button_9328

Yeah it's good that the fighting stopped. For now.  

But this "deal" massively favored Israel. As always. 

It's just putting a cork in the bottle. But it's too easy to shake the bottle. 

Until everyone agrees to a 2 state solution it will never end and any "peace" deal will be temporary.

Gibscreen

What do you mean "people"?

It's usually best to provide links where possible to specific statements and specific people. Because we can't fight for or against a nebulous "people". If you provide specific examples of people saying X or Y, we can either support, explain or criticise it - or say "it's a minority". So I will provide a specific and provide an example;

One news source I watch called Novara Media is pretty lefty, and had numerous things to say on it;

* [Israeli And Palestinian Captives Released, Trump Meets Leaders in Egypt | #NovaraLIVE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHTSm6--YW8)
* [Why You’ve Been Misled About “Israeli Hostages” and “Palestinian Prisoners”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sB-AIcI-6U)
* [Israel Accuses Hamas Of Breaking Ceasefire, Kills Multiple Palestinians | #novaralive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHM3_6GeAU)

Some key points I remember from their coverage contradicts some of what you have said;

&gt;Aid is flowing across the Rafah crossing

The aide, at least as of their first recent video, was not "flowing" - it was still being stymied. A major organisation, [UNWRA](https://www.unrwa.org/) was still being denied access.

Similarly - the IDF committed a lot of arson before they left.

Similarly - the pulling out of the IDF without the establishment of any group to keep control has left a power vacuum that is being filled by multiple militias - both pro and anti Israel aligned.

These criticisms of Israel and the peace deal seem pretty reasonable to me. But at the same time there is stuff worthy of praise and hope - which their coverage showed. I don't think their coverage is perfect - like most news I think they beat the drums of *doom and gloom* because that is what gets attention. But it seems to me like they are highlighting real issues. Is doing that "too negative"?

If you don't know about Novara Media then we can talk about another specific person or group whose statements you want to discuss - but discussing what "people in general" are saying is a dead end because "people in general" are saying a lot of things.

wibbly-water

I am really glad that Gazans are no longer suffering as horribly as they have been. I hope they can now get the healthcare, food, water, and housing they need.

I’m personally pretty negative because it shouldn’t have taken this for aid to be allowed in. That should never have been blocked in the first place. Beyond whatever (lack of) trust I have that Israel will hold to the ceasefire, I’m looking at the decades of history of the aid restrictions on Gaza. Beyond the human rights issues, this isn’t how you treat people you intend on maintaining a peaceful relationship with. 

I believe that the agreed line will de facto become the new border between Israel and Gaza, whether they officially annex it or do as they are in the West Bank - establish a government-subsidised settlement and lock the Palestinians out. 

There’s also a population of two million people (hopefully the larger casualty estimates are overstated!) with severe trauma and PTSD, and solid reason to hate Israel for what they’ve done. Whatever people may say about Hamas having no motive for further conflict, there have got to be thousands of traumatised orphans with nothing much to live for, and that’s a ripe field to harvest terrorists from.

CheesecakeUnhappy677

I just don’t see Hamas cooperating with Trump after he’s openly said he’s going to forcefully remove them and making all the cringe ai about turning Gaza into a resort. Hamas gained power through the west gaming Palestinian leadership and misleading them since the 20’s while Zionists pushed for more and more land while Palestine was seeking help and answers internationally, Hamas is the result of that anger and frustration of inaction and manipulation. 

I think it could be done, but Trump is going to have to bend over ass backwards to beg and beg and beg for Hamas to buy into anything he says, especially given their power comes from doing the exact opposite of trusting outside powers to help. 

Trump has just said too much about what his plans are, and I honestly think they’re more likely to kill him for even using their pain for his political gain and the lololols. Hamas is too damn cynical of the west and Israel for anything long term if it’s not genuine and it doesn’t cripple Israel in the process. 

Gotta remember, Clinton got the closest most recently with Hamas and Netanyahu in the talks; and the leader of Hamas said he can’t sign any deal that leaves Israel any power or Hamas will kill him (according to Clinton) and Hamas says Israel pulled away, and Israel says Hamas pulled away, and Netanyahu has been vocal the entire time of his goal of Palestine not even existing. I don’t see Trump making that better, again, especially with what he’s already said and “memed” about. 

I don’t think Netanyahu is capable of compromising with Palestine, and Hamas is a violent reactionary government to that violence. We need more to change first

RebelliousSoup

Not even 1 day into this "ceasefire" and Israel is already piling up bodies and cutting the food and aid allowed to the area, and you wonder why people are negative and skeptical about their intentions...

Adventurous_Put_7434

Oct 19. -    Israeli air strikes hit Rafah amid calls for return to fighting 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/10/19/live-israel-continues-deadly-attacks-on-gaza-closes-rafah-crossing

campa-van

Hamas has every reason to keep attacking. 


1) as you say in the immediate point, if Israel attacks (even if it's a counter attack), Israel will likely be condemned, which is in Hamas interest. 


2) who controls Gaza going forward is going to be messy. Will a third party step in? Will the PA step in? Will Hamas remain in control? Will other local parties attempt to gain control? The idea that violence in Gaza is over is short-sighted if only because fighting within Gaza is inevitable until one of these groups dominates the rest. 


3) given that 2 is inevitable, it spilling into Israel is inevitable, either by accident or by collateral damage (if not intentionally so). So inevitably, an Israeli citizen will be killed - at which point who knows what will happen. 


Also, Israel hasn't said it would stop either.


Lots of people have told Bibi to stop. He hasn't said that he would. He has said that he will continue operations in Gaza. Not the whole scale war, but still non-zero intervention. So, there's that. 


It's good that the hostages were released. It is good to stop fighting for one day. Even better if it lasts a week. But there are lots of reasons to believe that this cannot last long term. 

TemperatureThese7909

Excuse me for not believing Israel, who has broken several ceasefire agreements before. And on top of that, has bombed other countries in the midst of this "war". 


Sorry for being a little skeptical after the thousands of times they've said the hostages have been released and went right back to bombing Gaza. 


Oh and just because they said a ceasefire has been initiated, doesn't mean they'll pull their troops out of Gaza. 

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Youngsweppy

First, Hamas is still in power and they are evil. They are bad for any hope of actual peace with Israel. They are bad for the people living in gaza. The past two days have seen multiple reports that they are going around Gaza and executing any potential rivals for power. Not only are they executing them but they are executing them on live stream video and parading around the dead bodies. They are looking to control Gaza through a mix of power and fear.  In the past, their control has meant that money and supplies sent into Gaza to help the people living there ended up controlled by the terrorist group and were used for weapons, bunkers, and tunnels. Hamas (or whatever rebrand they go with) in control of Gaza will not get anyone to a brighter future.

Second, the agreement was that all of the kidnapped people would be returned, both dead and alive. So far the living people have been released but of the dead, only 7 of the 28 have been released. We initially thought it was 8 bodies released but after forensic identification, one of the four handed over last night is an unknown Gazan. That is not boding well for Hamas holding up its end of the agreement.

sar662

No one should ever be forced to negotiate the end of their genocide. The world should’ve put sanctions on Israel and supported the icc in their arrest of bibi

phbalancedshorty

People are still holding Israel in contempt, even for things they aren't doing.


People outside of Palestine are cheering on Hamas going after Palestinians who oppose(d) Hamas.


If people outside of Palestine are that invested in keeping the conflict going and Hamas propped up, then that's all this is; a cease fire, until Hamas (or Israel) attacks again.


Although a reprieve for civilians is likely welcome (as long as Hamas doesn't execute them).

BugRevolution

There are many reasons to be cautious about the ceasefire and peace agreement:
1. Israel continued bombing and attacking Gazans after the ceasefire was signed and ratified by the Knesset. 
2. Israeli backed militia murdered a journalist after the ceasefire. While those who did the killing were executed by security forces, they were not the only ones and Israel had been using them as Hamas false flags when it has been convenient to do so such as raiding aid trucks. Why would they stop using them now? They could be used as a proxy to continue attacks on Gazans or to start another conflict with Hamas. Or to fire rockets at Israel to make it seem like Hamas is breaking the ceasefire. 
3. After the ceasefire and before the hostages were released, DM Israel Catz stated the plan is to explode all the tunnels in Gaza. This would likely raze the entire city. And all the surrounding areas
4. Israel has broken every single agreement that they have had with the Palestinians and with any other country that they have had agreements with. Given this track record, it would be foolish in the extreme to take them at their word. 
5. There is nothing left of Gaza City and Northern Gaza. Nothing. Nothing but dust. While many are relieved. Most are incredibly heartbroken and traumatized. I'm not even speaking of Palestinians on the ground. I'm speaking of Palestinians in the diaspora, allies, friends, colleagues. I think it's totally normal for people to be taking this moment not to celebrate, but just to breathe. And in that time a lot of anger and grief and loss that they have not been able to process will likely come up. So, I think it is unhelpful to look at people's reactions to this ceasefire right now as being too negative or pessimistic. It literally just happened. Figure out what it means for you and how you want to move forward. I think a range of emotions is absolutely to be expected in this situation.

meeeemster

It seems pretty obvious to me that Israel simply wants land and will always find reasons to kill and take more territory. It's insane that people don't see this happening. The settlers never really stopped killing, torturing, and stealing homes from Palestinians, so no one should expect Hamas to stop attacking anytime soon.

People call Hamas terrorists, but to me, it's clear they are just enraged that their homes and lives have been stolen from them since 1948. Think about it—they have nothing left to lose.

This conflict won't end until Israel eventually wipes all Palestinians off the map. Hamas is, at best, an armed militia, while Israel is a military power with unbelievable internet surveillance that shuts down any and all criticism. They pour money into governments; mayors and even lower-level Western politicians are paid to speak for them, all while being supported by billionaires worldwide.

It's only a matter of hours before the destruction begins again, if it ever stopped at all. What's worse, soon you could be jailed for saying anything negative about Israel.

Stomach_Brilliant

On one hand I agree with you.  The hostages were always a non-negotiable position and I’m not sure why the world felt it was reasonable to demand that Israel stop the war without retrieving their hostages.  It was never going to happen. 

But now the hostages have been returned, so peace is actually possible.  

The hostages though were a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition.  Two atrocities happened on October 7th:

A)over a thousands Israelis were killed

B) 250 hostages were taken
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The second issue has been resolved, but the first issue has potentially not been resolved.  The later stages of the agreement call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power.  Unfortunately, Hamas has already declared that they have no intention of doing so.  

As a result, it is reasonable for people to believe that the war will start up again.  Netanyahu absolutely has no problems with the war continuing, so if Hamas gives him an excuse he will take it.  And it does appear that Hamas is setting up to give him that excuse.

Knave7575

Negativity sells. Especially to a certain crowd who desperately needs the Palestinian struggle as some sort of compass in their life (suddenly)

LowRevolution6175

Two things can be true. I can both think the ceasefire is rad AND that wee dick Donnie is a moron and not deserving of praise for stopping it.

schyzwytz

People are rightfully negative about that ceasefire. All it did was give HAMAS another lesson that capturing hostages is a valid tool against Israel, and whatever brutality they commit, they'll be shielded from consequences. They got 2000 of their prisoners IIRC for a couple dozen Israeli hostages. They will continue receiving foreign aid. Those responsible for the hostage-taking will not face any consequences, including a JDAM of justice right on their head, because the world will then scream about the ceasefire being broken by Israel. All this ceasefire does is prepare another, even more brutal Oct 7. All this ceasefire does is buy time for Israeli civilians to GTFO or get their country to treat HAMAS as a threat it is. Given Israel's track record in letting HAMAS do literally anything to its citizens for the sake of appeasing the global public, its wakeup is unlikely despite all the suffering inflicted on Israel by HAMAS and those who payroll it from Iran and beyond.

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